What no one talks about – Christian musings on hell

The sun was hot on us there on the patio off the side of the hospital, high up on the sixth floor. We had our backs against the building, looking out past the tables and through the tall glass wall to the brown hills and valley that was Kamloops. We both had big tubs of water softly clinking with small ice squares, compliments of the ward. We’d stopped talking, our efforts having dwindled down to nothing, when my daughter turned to me and said, “When I was six years old, you told me that if I didn’t love God, I would go to hell.”

Reader, I did not.

Or.

I don’t think I did. I hope I didn’t.

But she clearly thought I did which meant that, really, I may as well have.

I slumped, turned so I could looked her in the eye, and said, “Oh, Ellyanne, that’s terrible. I am SO sorry!”

I wish now that I could remember her response.

I wish a lot of things.

I wish neither of us had ever spent any time on that patio off GT6 – the pysch ward – instead of the hours and hours that we did.

And I was just the visitor, she lived in the ward for weeks and months at a time.

I wish she hadn’t been haunted by the fear of hell. I wish God had answered our prayers by giving her an experience of his love – one that lasted. I wish she hadn’t publicly called herself a ‘former Christian’.

I wish I knew for sure, now, that she is with him.

There doesn’t seem to be much to say, in the Christian circles I know, to parents whose kids die while resisting God. Oh, people will say, “Well, she had mental illness. God knows where her heart really was. We can’t know.” And it’s true. Or they’ll say, “We don’t know what happened in the last seconds before death – remember the thief on the cross.” Also true.

But if the fear is that this person who you lost, who you love so much, if this person might, perhaps, possibly, go to hell…

I’m just saying it’s hard to find books or sermons or even blogs about that. And unless you really love someone who fights God, who refuses him, you may not have noticed how singular, how self-oriented, many worship songs are. Yes, Jesus is my hiding place, but my daughter is getting shot at. Yes, Jesus is in the boat with me, but she’s out in the waves drowning.

Yes, he’s my comfort but she is sobbing in an isolation room in the psych ward.

Honestly, I didn’t want him to be hiding me, or in the boat with me, or comforting me. I wanted him to GO GET HER! Take care of her.

And then he let her die.

More, he let her kill herself.

And I’m here now trying to make sense of what makes no sense: how a smart, funny, loveable, pretty, young woman, who knew herself to be deeply loved, is let to kill herself.

And how those of us who are left have to navigate the ending of a story which, in the churches I’ve known, is potentially horrific.

It’s made me think about what comes after death, a lot. Hardly surprising.

So, if I continue to be as brave as today, I want to write a few posts about what I’m learning. I don’t pretend to be an expert. But I’ve faithfully read scripture (the whole thing) all my life – that’s gotta count for something. And yes, I know, “the human heart is desperately wicked, and deceitful above all things”. I know it’s easy to make scripture say what we want, especially when we REALLY want it.

But we all read this book through filters – all of us. And lately I’ve noticed one filter in particular that I’ve used my whole life and didn’t realize.

“For God so loved the world that he gave his only son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Whenever I would read that verse, I’d lay over the word ‘perish’ a filter of “go to hell”; and over ‘eternal life’, “go to heaven”. But that’s not what it says.

That’s not what Jesus said.

So yeah. I’m starting to think I’m allowed to question the doctrine of hell as “eternal, conscious, torment,” since we are not – despite C.S. Lewis – eternal beings by default. Only God is immortal.

If you’re interested, stay with me.

If not, no hard feelings.

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8 responses to “What no one talks about – Christian musings on hell”

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    Anonymous

    Oh dear Lorrie, I am with you. Ken’s death left me with a thirst for knowledge/seeking on this same journey. I fear my mind and my heart will never be in sync on this. Yet, I have an unexplainable peace. The price of a love lost cannot be measured in mere human words. ๐Ÿ’• Thank you for sharing your innermost feelings.

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    Anonymous

    I am walking with you in these questions. So glad that youโ€™re sharing what you have learned so far. โค๏ธ

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    Anonymous

    love to you as you continue to explore Godโ€™s love and grace.
    If you have the energy, check out, โ€œHer gates will never be shutโ€ by Brad Jersak

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    1. Lorrie Spinney Avatar

      Thanks. I just added it to my “want to read” in Goodreads.

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    Anonymous

    Lorries… thank you for being so brave and expressing your thoughts and reflections with such brutal honesty. My heart goes out to you. The Elly I knew was such a sweet girl, I can’t even begin to imagine how she came to the decision she did. Now, in the wake of our own daughter’s death in February, I know what you’re going through in terms of losinga child, but perhaps not the depth of the questions or even guilt you might be carrying. I have prayed for you and your husband and remaining daughter almost daily. I have no answer, except even in this God is sovereign…

    Tracy Krauss

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    tracykrauss

    I left a comment (I think) on your blog post. My heart breaks for you and Doug and Kirsten. We lost our daughter in February after she gave birth to her sixth child. We are devastated. Not the club we wanted to join. I pray for you daily.

    Tracy Krauss Website http://www.tracykrauss.com Fiction on the edge without crossing the line

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    Laura Soles

    Thank you for sharing your heart. I look forward to more posts. I, too, have grappled with this concept (but not with such a huge loss as my child ๐Ÿ’”).  Hugs and prayers flying your way. ๐Ÿ’œ

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  7. rosesscott Avatar

    Just read this, so sorry for this unimaginable tragedy. May wrestling with God bring you to his comfort and peace.

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